#2128756 - 01/27/12 08:22 AM #4 buckshot with modified choke? Remington has 9 pellets at 1,325 fps. Even law enforcement officers typically choose 0 or 00 buckshot for close encounters with dangerous human beings. We tested 12 gauge shotshells utilizing #4, #1 and 00 buckshot (both plated and unplated) to determine the maximum effective range of each type of shotshell when shot through a practical 12 gauge shotgun with cylinder choke. Remingtons Magnum 00-buck load has 12 pelletsabout 1 18 ounces of shotlaunched at almost 1,300 fps. Most used full chokes and my guns always shot best with #1 buck. Distances between muzzle and target for the #4 buckshot and unplated #1 buckshot correspond to the maximum distance at which a single shot pellet is expected to be traveling fast enough to score an incapacitating hit. They all had at least one pellet in the spine as well as several in the lungs, so every deer went down on the spot. A very small, tight pattern with 000 or 00 buckshot is quite effective, but the smaller the pattern, the greater the possibility of a complete miss. Buckshot pellets are significantly larger than birdshot. FULL is even worse. Ive heard heated arguments for all three. Rios Game Load C20 (20 ga 2 3/4 00 Buck) has rather optimistic ballistics. Okay, now that Ive got you thinking, I will ask why the slug is more lethal. What would the range be for 00 buckshot with a Rem 870 mod choke? 00 Wolf 12 Gauge Ammo 2 3/4" 00 Power Buckshot 9 Pellets Our Price: $6 (WYMT) - Pikeville Medical Center's Leonard Lawson Cancer Center is expanding after an announcement by Congressman Hal Rogers and Gov The shotgun barrel patterned very well using buckshot , birdshot, and the Winchester PDX1 ammunition 12 Gauge Remington Magnum Buckshot . This is, presumably, due to the fact that as you increase pellet diameter, you also increase the EFFECTIVE %age of antimony with regard to performance (hard for me to word). Maybe not with the entire load, but enough to Hmmm, how many rounds are we going to fire to get enough pellets into this block?. If you have a personal-defense shotgun or one assigned to you, go out with the load you intend to carry and pattern the shotgun. It made a 33 inch pattern. If you are shooting No.3 or No.4 buckshot, you should keep it under 30 yards. It was about 14-ish inches on the #1 and around 18 on the #00. Hit probability was determined by shooting a Mossberg 590 from a shooting bench at various distances from a FLETC Transitional Target II with the (5) different cartridge types. The 000 spreads at a linear rate instead of an exponential one, all the way out to about 50 yards. This variant is very popular and an outstanding home defense and tactical load. RE: Buckshot for deer. We next look at the velocity versus distance from muzzle plot for this projectile: We see that the deformed #1 buckshot sphere will have slowed down to 993 ft/sec at a distance of 29 yards from the muzzle which corresponds to the penetration depth in gelatin of 12.0. It will be noted from above that the physical distance between the muzzle of the test shotgun and the paper targets was 40 yards for the #1 buckshot (plated, pattern-controlled), 00 buckshot (unplated, buffered) and 00 buckshot (plated, pattern-controlled.) There are the penetration guys and the full pattern guys. The measurements were taken using the two widest pellets of the 00 buckshot load. By clicking Accept All, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. NJgunner said: Ive never patterned my shotgun (SBII 24") but I did shoot a deer at 60-70 yards with a standard full crio choke and 3.5" federal vital shok 00 buck. This target was shot at 3 yards. I wonder if the 8-pellet reduced recoil stuff will cycle my M4S90. Since shotguns are deployed in non- spontaneous shootings where law enforcement or military members have the time to access and deploy them, distances in scattergun shootings are going to tend to be longer. And either [load is still meeting] the FBI standards. All shots where taken at 40 yards and with 2 3/4 # 3 buckshot all 20 pellet loads The pictures as follows Winchester brand (unplated shot) Remington brand ( unplated shot) and Federal (copper plated). Bird shot at close range does not have time to spread and will it as a wad..one also has the wad cup going to hit the person the target as well. In many reduced-sized patrol cars, a shorter barrel only makes sense because a traditional 18- or 20-inch-barreled shotgun is simply too big to fit in the passenger compartment. We didnt test it because birdshot lacks sufficient energy to penetrate at distances beyond close range and is not carried in serious social shotguns. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'guntradition_com-leader-2','ezslot_6',119,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-2-0');if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'guntradition_com-leader-2','ezslot_7',119,'0','1'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-2-0_1');.leader-2-multi-119{border:none!important;display:block!important;float:none!important;line-height:0;margin-bottom:7px!important;margin-left:auto!important;margin-right:auto!important;margin-top:7px!important;max-width:100%!important;min-height:250px;padding:0;text-align:center!important}Buckshot hunters come in two primary categories. The big question has been, is the gain of the weight and effectiveness of each individual pellet worth the loss of one whole pellet? For instance, loads of 12-gauge 00 buck are commonly available in 8 to 18 pellets depending on the lengths from 2 3/4 to 3 1/2. This is simply figuring for penetration. A load the Brits developed years ago. I have owned several and none would keep the pellets on a 12x20" target past about 20 yards or so. Only a soft recovery (shooting gelatin, water or cotton) will tell you which type of buckshot your shotshell produces. DaveC wrote:With a typical cylinder bore the buckshot pattern is going to be too wide at 30 yards, let alone 50 yards, no? 00 and 000 buck pattern into 15" patterns. Its 18 g/cc density hits gobblers harder and patterns better than lead or bismuth, ensuring cleaner kills at reasonable distances. ATK was kind enough to supply 12-gauge fodder for the test. Are Mini Shotgun Shells Viable for Self-Defense? The record shows Remington Ammunition has recently discovered an issue related to its 12-Gauge Premier Accutip ammo and issued a recall notice. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". Absolutely, and Id expect to hit it, at least with enough to probably put it down. The most commonly produced buckshot shell is a 12-gauge, 00 buck shell that holds 8 pellets. Showing the difference in patterns between 00 and #4 shots at 45/ 50 yards. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-1','ezslot_10',113,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-1-0');Buckshot is a close-range option. Shotshells contain lead spheres of different diameter and these different diameters are optimal for different usages. This gave the reasonable expectation that all shots taken during the dispersion testing were aimed at the center-of-mass of the FLETC Transitional Target II. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. Readily-found shotgun shells tend to fall into the performance category of deformed buckshot due to a lack of plating or an effective wadding system. The Boar Blaster seemed to corral enough of the pellets and put them into the vitals to be a worthwhile buckshot choke option. 12-Gauge Gunfight: How to Win With Your Favorite Tactical Shotgun. Neither pattern was exceptionally tight. These patterns at 40 yards with 2-3/4" TSS loads and the GT .670 are by far, the best 40 yard patterns I've seen yet with this gun yet. *Distance in feet and buckshot spread in inches. There are 24 pellets in a 3-inch 12 gauge load and with an IC choke you get a nice-sized pattern at 25 yards. This means: A) devastating ballistic impact on target; and B) youve got to aim the shotgun. Depending on the particular load and the shotgun's choke, at somewhere between 20 and 30 yards, a few of the pellets will have spread wider than the chest of a silhouette target. All objects lose velocity as they travel through the air. Would you get this with birdshot? Buckshot is designed to take deer at moderate range, an animal about the size and weight of an average human male. Thats our control, thats what we do with our handgun ammo. The Carlson's Remington Buckshot Choke Tube produces dense patterns downrange with 00 BuckShot. You've only seen one page. Thornton takes Mississippi to The Swede, where he buys a sawed-off, double-barreled shotgun as a holstered sidearm. Now add a little buffer, wad, or both to further protect the buckshot from deforming, and you're well on your way of having a legitimate 50+ yard, tight patterning buckshot load. We used two different loads: Federal FliteControl #1 and Federal FliteControl #00 8-pellet. CHRIS: Yeah, theyre around 1100 feet per second. 000 is impressive. Heres why. Each ball is delivering about the equivalent of a .36 C&B revolver. The soft lead deforms, causing less uniformity and spacing out the shot in the pattern. With spherical shotgun pellets, the only way to increase sectional density is to increase the pellet size. Buckshot patterns fall apart quickly. If I were interested in animal control or something like that, would I take a shot at 50 on something? It was necessary to determine the velocity of the buckshot spheres as they traveled downrange to know the maximum range at which the pellet would be able to meet the 12.0 minimum penetration depth in ballistic gelatin. Dont be tempted to buy the big 3 inch shells with more shot. Big pellets dont always follow the same rules that apply to smaller shot. TSS #4, Kicks GT .670, 50 yards . Figure 15 illustrates the velocity versus penetration depths obtained for #1 buckshot single-launched buckshot and #1 buckshot shotshells. The #00 still was. Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. It has the best practical range of any hollowpoint weapon for deer hunting: about 70 yards. My Benelli M2 with the IC choke will put it in 5"-7" patterns. The application referred to here is exactly the one I was looking for and also the exact distances: perfect! If the Flite Control is not giving you the performance that you desire, try loosening up the amount of choke that you are using. JOHN: Well, they dont pattern with anything and thats the thing I kind of wonder if most of peoples opinion on shotguns are based off of one shotgun they had that they did this one thing with and then never did anything else. If you aim at the lungs, you stand a chance of taking out the spine with the top of your pattern, which would be nice. The rule at play here is killing power. Living in southern Michigan, where we use shotguns and muzzleloaders for deer. Ive got a Beretta 1301 that actually patterns with #1 at 25 about like what your barrel was doing, so probably about the same thing for that particular gun, but Ive got other shotguns that dont pattern like that. Perhapse I can improve. Which of the two theories is proper? Every "constriction" loosened, gave me 5 yards more of "good" pattern. The shots were taken as a baseline at the FBI standard distance of 10 feet between muzzle and gelatin block. Your Modified choke will pattern larger . But why does more penetration of a few outweigh less penetration of many? The Benelli uses a .728" bore, IIRC (which is pretty narrow) and so ANY constriction may be fouling things. Some people have the mistaken idea that buckshot is a great option for brush bucking. Some folks call them hermaphrodites while others swear that they're antlered does. Pretty lame putting only 66% or so on-target when the remington consistantly does 80-100%. Because I was getting junk patterns even with an IC constriction, I just wrote the stuff off. Buckshot pellets are significantly larger than birdshot. Vang installed his compensation system on the barrel, back-bored the chamber, extended the magazine, installed a dome safety and sidesaddle spare shell carrier and worked on the action. In fact, at 25 yards, the 14-inch-barreled 590A1 produced a pattern 1-inch smaller than the 500. They want to take your guns because they plan to do something to you that might cause you to shoot them. The patterns at 20 yards. This shotgun includes a SureFire forearm, a BlackHawk Knoxx Stock and a three-point sling. And its nasty at close range. Im glad that you all like the video. Wow! The Trulocks claim a 20% tighter pattern with the Boar Blaster, which is about what I saw. What is the effective range of 12-gauge 00 buckshot? This shotgun is a version of what the NYPD highway officers carry. I should mention that the stock of the Mossberg 500 prevented me from getting down on the bead sights as much as I wouldve liked, so I tended to shoot a little high using the same center-mass target. Still, at least half of your pattern area is missing the animal. You can, and its nice to know that the spread will not be too large to recklessly endanger a neighborhood. Hornady Zombie @ 21ft. Pasted as rich text. I try to keep with the same length shell, 2 3/4 inch, as a common factor. That leaves Federals Vital-Shok buck, which uses Federals FliteControl wad, as the tightest-patterning buckshot load Im aware of, and it performs in almost any choke so long as its not of the ported or wad-stripping variety. If all my shots were going to be in thick brush, I would be tempted to shoot 1 buck. Chris Baker Shotguns are typically considered close-range firearms, especially when loaded with buckshot. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. This one-pot meal slow-cooks tough cuts of game Sign up for the Field & Stream newsletter and get the latest intelligence straight to your inbox. Federal Premium LE132 00 low recoil buckshot, 9-pellet 3. Functional cookies help to perform certain functionalities like sharing the content of the website on social media platforms, collect feedbacks, and other third-party features. in the head of a target for Jerry M. and all 9 rds hit in the head @ 25 yds. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. Because of aerodynamic drag, buckshot spreads radially outward at a rate that is nonlinear with the translational travel of the pellets towards the target. With No.1 or No.2 Buckshot, its more like 35-40 yards max for a potent load that groups tight. Paste as plain text instead, A 12 gauge shotgun shell holds 8-9 pellets of 00 shot, 8 pellets of 000 shot. 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